I will try to answer these step by step, but I am really busy at the moment.
Fristly Yahoo is the best at identifying un natural links, they simply throw ALL the sites out of their index.
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Quote: bagi -OWG, this is not the best new, since according to this all my websites should be penalized
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See you have jumped into it with both feet, I didn't say WILL get penalised, I said 'could'
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quote Darstar -OWG I do not want to offend you ( I do not have the right as I am to young as age and as experience in this domain ) but you seem to be agains any ways of creating links for your site.
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DS you have exactly the same right to challenge me as I do to challenge you, as long as we BOTH respect each other there is no issue here.
I am ABSOLUTELY not against creating links for sites you MUSt get links to your site to rank on google. but you must get NATURAL links. ie NOT to your homepage from links pages. in Fact Google themselves TELL you to get links
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Have other relevant sites link to yours.
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Webmaster Help Center - Webmaster Guidelines Bold added by me to drive it home.
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Darkstar - How do you manage to get links for yours and your customer sites ? Because I know the content is important but who links for your site just because you have good content today ?
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Ok this is the meat
You need to contact other sites in the same game but not in competition, and you need to get contextual links. I am obviously not going to give away 100% my methodology on something this important (sorry). But the information above should set you off in the right direction.
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Riverwire - how is google going to prove that this is a 3 way link ? they cant ! as long as you dont do it over and over again i cant see how they could do anything.
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Google create a link map of the entire internet, they do this for two reasons, being to apply the PR algo, and for clustering and ordering groups of linked pages. What people are missing is that google have an existing set of expectation paramaeters for links. ANYONE who falls outside of those parameters 'could' have a flag raised, and an additional algorithmic investigation carried out. Google do NOT have to identify individual links, they ONLY have to discover un-natural link patterns and act accordingly. THIS is what a google rep said on the googlegroups forum
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I wouldn't really worry about spam sites hurting your ranking by linking to you, as we understand that you can't (for the most part) control who links to your sites. However, there is some action you can take if you come across spam in Google's index. The preferred method of reporting spam to us is by clicking on "Report spam in our index" while logged into Webmaster Tools. If you don't have a Webmaster Tools account, you can use our non-authenticated spam report form: Report a Spam Result
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Did you note the 'for the most part'? exactly the same as they say.
Also They appear to have hinted at it AGAIN here
Webmaster Help Center - What can I do if I'm afraid my competitor is harming my ranking in Google?
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There's almost nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index.
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Got that ALMOST NOTHING, so by definition there HAS to be SOMETHING, which = google bowling.
I have stated this before but will state it again. I want you all to stop for a moment and HONESTLY think about the links you have NATURALLY posted in threads on forums and on your site. Now HONESTLY tell yourself how many of those links were from a links page to a home page?
NOW can you say what I am saying. the BULK of natural links online are DEEPLINKS to SPECIFIC CONTENT normally wrapped around a chunk of text that is RELEVANT to the bridge phrase.
Without putting it on a plate you should now know
1. how to ensure future spam filters do not catch you out.
2. how to build HIGH QUALITY backlinks.
Fire away again though because this is a real good discussion.
10-05-2007, 01:40 PM
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